Marco Minciaroni is an Italian farmer based in Umbria and a champion for organic farming methods. His farm is a great example of how sustainable agriculture can work when implemented in the right way, and he is keen to share his knowledge with others.
Brian Thomson, Communication Manager at IFAD, interviewed him to learn more about his approach to biodynamics and eco-agriculture.
Please tell me your name, where we are and the name of your establishment. I am Marco Minciaroni, we are in Umbria and our properties are united under the name of Castello di Montalera.
Most farms were family farms at their roots. Would you characterize Castello di Montalera as being a family farm? My father is from Umbria, he was born in Perugia, which is nearby, and he bought this land at the end of the sixties as an investment I believe and at the time they were doing conventional farming. However, since then, half a century has passed and I really feel rooted here, so the decision to shift from conventional farming to organic farming techniques was natural. It is an expression of gratitude, respect for the land and for the local traditions.
You were influenced by the now late Giulia Maria Crespi. What were the fundamentals of her farming philosophy that you have taken forward? Giulia Maria Crespi founded FAI (Fondo Ambiente Italiano) and was the founder of the Italian Biodynamic Association here in Italy. So clearly she had a biodynamic approach following Rudolf Steiner.
At their family's property, called Cascine Orsini near Milan they hold courses on all these themes and they produce excellent biodynamic rice. From her I think I gained a holistic approach to farming and the encouragement to carry on the way I was going.
How does biodynamics take you forward from organic, is it a step ahead? I would define the kind of farming I do as agroecological. I take bits and pieces from various organic techniques and one of these is biodynamics. I experiment and apply them to obtain the best result.
The way we were doing farming here was industrial farming, using synthetic fertilizers, pesticides, herbicides, heavy tilling monocultures... This needed high inputs and resources, expensive seeds and products.
I moved to straightforward organic farming, following what the European Community ruled twenty years ago. This meant no use of industrial synthetic products, GMOs (Genetically Modified Organism) and chemical products that are forbidden or extremely limited; and the use of crop rotation and natural fertilizers.
In the past few years I have moved to a more complex way of doing organic farming which I would call agroecologic farming, which is more diversified. I am trying to have a more resilient and circular approach so, minimum disturbance of soil and minimum tillage. I till when it is necessary. I used to go down 40-50 cm and now we go maximum 10-25 cm down, because the richness is in the upper part of the soil, our treasure is there.
We limit the use of modern varieties of seeds, because a modern variety of seed expresses its best in industrial systems, which is what they have been selected for, but in an organic system it doesn't work as well. So I prefer traditional varieties of cereals, for example. They have higher stems, maybe 1-1.5 meters tall, so they are not in competition with the weeds. They have maybe longer beards or bristles for protection; their heads are more open, there’s more airflow and they’re less accessible to fungi and humidity. They do have lower yields, but you have far less inputs, far less expenses and you can compensate the lower yield using diversity and planting more crops together in an agroecological approach. And in the year the yields improve, once you learn how to cut down expenses.
Driving around the farm with you and looking out here from your home on high over the land, you see these stripes within the fields. Can you tell me a little bit about the theory why you are planting that way within these fields? Stripy agriculture, what’s it all about? What I realized as I was doing organic farming is that biodiversity is your insurance and protection against all sorts of pests. The big problem with the property was its oversimplification. In the seventies it had been flattened out and cultivated with monoculture.
I have a little story to explain this:
Imagine you have a restaurant near a stadium and you have many empty tables. And the visiting team supporters come out and happen to be bit drunk and quite angry, not in the best mood because they lost, and they rapidly fill up all your tables and they all want to eat at the same time, and they make a big mess of your restaurant. Imagine now you have the same restaurant, but this time the tables happen to be occupied by people, so maybe there is a family or members of the opposite team. The visitors are obliged to spread out in groups. So maybe they do occupy some of your tables and make a bit of a mess, but everybody eats and it is not as dramatic as if there were empty tables.
You can apply this to the fields too. So, imagine a situation where there is no biodiversity, no other insects are present and a new species, maybe an aggressive one arrives and starts eating everything everywhere with nothing stopping it except for pesticides, but I'm organic and I don't use them. Instead, with a high biodiversity there are other insects occupying spaces, and they don't want to leave. They are the natural predators, insects like ladybirds that eat aphids or spiders that eat basically every other insect, praying mantis, you also have more birds and bats… so this keeps the overall aggressive population down. Higher diversity means higher protection, there is more competition between insects, so some may eat a bit of your crops but there isn't a big impact overall. Having many bees also increases yield, increases pollination, so the presence of insects is very important for agriculture.
These are big changes to the way you farm this land. Did you meet with any resistance to these changes within the local community, within the market value chain that you are trying to sell into? Yes, first of all I studied philosophy and I don't come from a farming background so when I started following the properties I planted alfalfa everywhere, which was one step in the right direction and I started reading as much as I could, and experimenting. Of course, local farmers were making fun of me, and I did make my mistakes of course, and that's how you learn. But in the long run I am very happy with all my choices.
What would be the most important results and lessons you have learned over these now, 20+ years that you have been farming here? At the beginning, in the first year, we were doing straightforward organic farming. In the past 7 years we have been intensifying and modifying our farming. First, I think I learned about being humble, respecting nature. You must not impose your ideas on the land, you must observe and listen to what the land has to say, what the natural herbs growing there tell you about the problems of the soil. Trying to work with the land, not against it, disregarding insects and animals, disturbing or distracting them, trying to convince them to go away.
I also learned about not putting all the eggs in one basket, in agriculture all of us are under the stars, so global warming and extreme meteorological effects can be seen lower the globe, more or less intensely and tragically. So always differentiate what you plant, divide the risks and plan for the future. Bad seasons do happen, so possibly plan for some extra incomes on the side. Maybe planting distinct trees around the sides of your crops. This can give you maybe fruits, nuts or berries and after a few years maybe they are valuable source of wood to sell.
I also think that theory is very different from practice and that you must really adapt to the land, the weather and your possibilities to keep in the right direction.
Tell me more about how the biodiversity here on the farm is able to move around freely, how are you helping that? Well, as I said before biodiversity means more protection, more pollination and higher yields. So, to attract varieties of animals, you have to bear in mind that they are all in competition with each other. You need many different kinds of plants and crops, so a high plant biodiversity is needed to create a better equilibrium. It has been very inspiring to read and meet Miguel Altieri. Through him I understood so much about agroecology. So we have stripes of plants and pollen-attracting plants that attract bees around the property, always to give a place for the animals and insects to stay specially when we are turning over the land so you can have your stock of beetles and your stock of bees and you must protect them.
Looking out from up here you can see how the land changes as it goes down to the lakeside. Is the idea that eventually these corridors will all connect? Absolutely, one of the lucky features we have is this great national park called Lago Trasimeno, which is a lake full of biodiversity. Our property starts right at the shores of it, in the heart of the property there is the more hilly and woody side, there is more natural biodiversity. However, the plains have been oversimplified by the farming that was done in the eighties and seventies, so I'm really trying to recreate corridors of hedges and bushes. I have a project to plant fifteen kilometres of trees and bushes to connect the park with the inner parts of the property to let the animals move around and to create different air currents and somewhere the insects can stay.
What animal species have you seen return in higher numbers especially to the forested areas? The first big change I saw were the many insects that arrived. Sadly, you can see them on the windscreen when you drive, but at night it’s all full of fireflies in the summer. Then hedgehogs and porcupines arrived. Now there are more foxes and hares, which can finally breed and stay in the tall grass. Roe deer came back and it was a big surprise to have such big animals there. Wild boars were always present, and their population increased giving us problems. Birds of prey arrived, like hawks and eagles at times. The last ones to arrive were wolves, who put everyone in their own place. The wild boars stopped being scattered in the fields and moved to the wood, it is good to have a small population of wolves at least.
So, obviously you have learned so much from so many. How important is it for you to share the lessons you have learned here on this farm with others? I believe there must be synergy in the fields, between the plants and animals, and also between the people and the various organizations. We really need to interact to create something more. It is very important to share the lessons, especially because someone else has already been through what you are going through now and they can explain what to do, and you can help them deal with other situations. This way you don't feel alone and feel encouraged, not having to start from zero every time. It's a very important resource and the idea would be to have a very big data base with traditional knowledge we could access.
At IFAD we work exclusively with the world's poorest people, family farmers in developing countries who often live on the periphery of where land is fertile and where it's most affected by climate impacts. What lessons and what principles are in your opinion transferable from here to that scenario? Sadly, global changes make us share common problems. I think it's very important to retake control over your local varieties of seeds, grow your own seeds instead of buying them, possibly they're more adapted to your own land and territory. This also gets you out of the commodities market. If you have your own seed your price is not susceptible to global market changes. I have the example of a neighbour who was planting tomatoes the year China started producing massive amounts of tomatoes and sending them to Italy and he didn't even pick them because he had no market for them, his expenses were too high. I would minimize expenses and inputs, so traditional methods of growing; keeping your seeds, local heritage is extremely valuable. Go for resilience, local varieties are better. A wonderful solution would be using evolutive populations. I know you are supporting one of these programs with Salvatore Ceccarelli, professor in evolutive farming. These populations made of maybe thousands of the same family of seeds but different amongst them, they interbreed in the same part of land and they evolve according to the place they are grown in.
So diversification, agroecological principals, maybe intercropping, there are interesting techniques like the push-pull method for insects: planting certain things to attract the good ones and repel the bad ones or to keep the animals outside. Cultivating biodiversity is very important also for nutrition, a more diversified cultivation gives you diversified food.
Do you think we should be offering more exchanges between farmers from developing countries? Absolutely, many issues are shared globally because of climate change and globalization, because of how the commodities market works, how it's structured, rules and regulations, subsidies that somehow stop along the way... We all have these problems and in general if they are solved in a region they can be transferred and adapted to other places. You can shift techniques from one place to the other. Maybe specific seed varieties from an area are also very useful for other areas with similar climates. Sharing knowledge is fundamental, I’m thinking also about GIAS, the global important agricultural heritage systems, these are amazing examples of heritage agriculture and I only learned about them a few years ago. It's amazing what is happening around the globe and that's the example we should go towards.
So, bringing things back closer to home, what do you hope the future holds for you here? Well, the complexity of the problems we have faced must be tackled with different multifunctional approaches. So not one solution for all the problems, but many solutions, even small ones, but many of them working in the same direction. A fundamental role here is played by small family farmers, they are a very important part of the puzzle and a very important source of food security for the planet. Their correct action can improve local living conditions if it's done well. It also protects the culture and traditions connected to the land. Intensive farming isn't the only solution, maybe it can be one solution but it's not the solution. So, I suggest a future which goes towards resilience and adaptation to changes, which for farmers has to be easy, low-cost and within reach. And maybe also in the direction of a more efficient distribution and development of goods and resources, maybe the water is there but you just need a little expense to dig the well, and research and technology with an agroecological approach. To better understand how nature works and how we can interact with nature more efficiently.
Great. Thank you so much.
Thank you.
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